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Hints for Talking on the Radio<\/h3>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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33 73 CQ and More<\/a> | Alternate Net Control<\/a> | Downed Power Lines<\/a> | Echolink<\/a> | FAQs<\/a> | Ham Licenses- How To<\/a> | Hints for Talking on the Radio<\/a> | How to Choose a Radio<\/a> | How to Program a Radio<\/a> | How to Work an Event<\/a> | Links<\/a> | LOTW<\/a> | Misc Net Tech Topics<\/a> | Morse Code<\/a> | Nets and Repeaters<\/a> | Simplex Made Simple<\/a> | Survivor Notebook<\/a> | Videos<\/a> | Weekly Net Summaries<\/a> | What is Zulu Time<\/a> | Working Your First Event<\/a><\/p>\n
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Why do you hear people say BREAK or PAUSE or some other similar term when talking on a Repeater?<\/strong> The reason they do that is to let the Repeater Drop <\/strong>— because Repeaters have a ‘time out period’ and will DROP out and stop transmitting if you go past the time out period. The time out period varies from repeater to repeater depending on how it is set up by the owner but it is usually 2 or 3 minutes.<\/p>\n

If you keep talking after the repeater times out and drops, no one will hear your ‘profound words and insights’.<\/p>\n

So that’s why you will hear the Net Control, or the person talking in a conversation, or a person talking during training, or whatever say “BREAK” or “PAUSE” and then they (or you if you are the one talking) release the PTT (press to talk) button and wait till they (and \/or you) hear the Repeater make a tone or a ding or a clunk or 2 beeps or some sound that means it is ok to continue talking again because the timer has been reset. This is known as a courtesy tone.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Do NOT key the Talk button again until you hear that tone or ding or clunk or beep or beeps or whatever. Only then is it ok to talk because otherwise the Repeater has not had time to reset.<\/p>\n

However, one caveat re listening for the courtesy tone or ding or clunk or beep — Not all repeaters have a courtesy tone. So if you don’t hear one, just wait for a second or two before resuming or beginning to transmit again.<\/p>\n

For example,<\/p>\n

the 444.100 repeater that we often use for the YL Net does not <\/strong>have a courtesy tone<\/p>\n

but the 442.650 repeater does have a courtesy tone.<\/p>\n

Do you have to BREAK or PAUSE if you are using Simplex? <\/strong>NO<\/p>\n

Why do you not have to Break or Pause when using Simplex?<\/strong> Simplex does not use repeaters so there is nothing to time out.<\/p>\n

What is a “DOUBLE”? <\/strong>Often when people are talking on a repeater — two or more try to say something at the same time. When that happens sometimes there is just noise and the person with the most powerful radio “wins” — but you can hear that someone else was trying to say something. If neither “wins” it is usually staticy sounding noise and in both situations, this is called a DOUBLE. Sometimes people will double with you and you don’t even know it because you were talking — so when you finish talking someone will usually say “there was a double” — so you and \/ or the two or more folks who doubled need to try again but only one at a time.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n

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What is a Directed Net?<\/strong> Often you hear the Net Control person say “This is a Directed Net”. What does this mean? <\/span>According to this wiki website<\/a><\/div>\n
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A net<\/em> or directed net<\/em>, in radio-amateur operating procedure, is an organised meeting of multiple stations on a common frequency at a scheduled time. One station is designated to serve as net control<\/em>; all requests to talk to and \/or deliver message traffic to the net are initiated by sending an identifier (such as “Question” or “Comment” or their callsign to the net control<\/em> station and then waiting for the Net Control Station to reply back and ask the station (you or whomever) before that station or you continues with what that calling station (or you) say what they need or want to say..<\/p>\n

The directed net<\/em> structure reduces the number of message collisions, where multiple stations attempting to transmit simultaneously could otherwise cause unwanted interference to communication within the group. “<\/p>\n

Said in simplier terms: “This is a Directed Net” means <\/strong>that all communications are directed to the Net Control and stations should wait to be acknowledged by Net Control before saying whatever it is they want to say — hence Net Control coordinates all communications instead of everyone just talking willy nilly.<\/p>\n

How is a Directed Net different from just talking on the radio?<\/strong> With a directed net there is usually a purpose for the net (such as practicing for weather events or a net for fellowship such as our YL Net.) It is directed by the NC (Net Control person) because that provides continuity to the conversations instead of everyone just talking at once and producing doubles and confusion.<\/p>\n

But if you are just chatting with friends <\/strong>as you drive to and from work or are “chewing the rag” in the evening or whenever, you just talk when you have something to say or just listen when you don’t.<\/p>\n

What is “chewing the rag”?<\/strong> This is a ham term that means you are chatting and fellowshiping as you would do if you were socializing at a party or at your neighbor’s house, or talking on the telephone, or whatever. The only difference is that you give your call sign when you begin the conversation (not every time you talk), every 10 minutes or less during the conversation, and at the end of the conversation when you are going to stop talking. At the end of the conversation you give your call sign and then say CLEAR.<\/p>\n

Chewing the rag is what most folks do on Ham Radio.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n

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If you are using a Hand Held Radio (HT) and people say you are aren’t clear or you are unintelligable, what can you do? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Note : HT = Handi Talkie \/ Hand Held Radio<\/strong><\/p>\n

There are several things to try:<\/p>\n

1. Move to another location. Sometimes you need to move several feet but sometimes only a few inches will make all the difference in the world.<\/p>\n

2. Hold the HT straight up so the Antenna is perpendicular to the ground. If it is at an angle or horizontal or close to horizontal, you will not get a good transmission.<\/p>\n

3. Talk louder. People with soft voices, even with a perfect location and an upright antenna, are often very hard to hear. Also when you talk, hold the HT 2 or 3 inches from your mouth — not way off at a distance.<\/p>\n

4. Move to a location where you can ‘see’ in the direction where the Repeater is located. For example, move to the side of the house or building which faces the mountain or building or wherever the Repeater is located. Stand in front of a window or even go outside if necessary.<\/p>\n

5. If you can go higher in the house or building, do so. The Higher the better is the rule for antennas.<\/p>\n

6. When you find a location and position that works — stay there. Do not pace around while you talk.<\/p>\n

7. Use a different antenna. The ‘Rubber Duck’ antenna that comes with most HT radios is usually not very good. So most folks buy a better antenna and replace the Rubber Duck. You might even want to attach your HT to a Mobile antenna.<\/p>\n

8. Use a counterpoise (Tiger Tail). <\/strong>To do this you add a short wire to the antenna’s ground connector at the base of the antenna — or add the short wire to a case screw that’s electrically connected to the antenna’s ground side.<\/p>\n

How long should the Tiger tail be?<\/p>\n